# Session 8: Toward a reading: archaic names that recur as Sumerian names, and a possible -ni suffix > A minority of Uruk III names recur exactly as attested Early Dynastic Sumerian names, at twice the chance rate (8.7% against 4.2%), which gives the first… Source: https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/proto-cuneiform/sessions/SES0DG2WBKR72D3/session-8-toward-a-reading-archaic-names-that-recur-as Publisher: Mysteries Department Licence: CC BY 4.0 (credit Mysteries Department and link the page) --- [Proto-cuneiform: the archaic texts of Uruk](https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/proto-cuneiform)[Research sessions](https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/proto-cuneiform/sessions)Session 8 Research session 8 · Proto-cuneiform: the archaic texts of Uruk # Toward a reading: archaic names that recur as Sumerian names, and a possible -ni suffix Archaic names recur as attested Early Dynastic Sumerian names at twice the chance rate (8.7% against 4.2%), giving candidate readings such as e2-zi, giri3-ni, šu-me and gi-na. NI in archaic names pairs with body-part signs as the Sumerian possessive -ni does (5 of 7 name types, p = 0.00025). That is a candidate phonetic Sumerian suffix in Uruk III. Session **8** 3 Nov 2026Testing**1** run**6** evidence [Session 7 · **Semitic comparison and Archaic Ur in the archaic convention** ](https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/proto-cuneiform/sessions/SES0DG2Q5H13P3E/session-7-semitic-comparison-and-archaic-ur-in-the-archaic)[Session 9 · **Brute-force checks of the candidate readings, sign by sign against the literature** ](https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/proto-cuneiform/sessions/SES0DG38A190RRC/session-9-brute-force-checks-of-the-candidate-readings-sign) ## Going in the sweep before the work What changed since Session 73 Nov 2026, 05:18 → 31 Oct 2026, 15:39 **0** datasets added **0** sources added **0** news stories matched **0** duplicates or retired records [Top next step going in: Context of counted GIR3 NI entries](https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/proto-cuneiform/questions/QST0DG2T53MFHE9/is-the-archaic-designation-gir3-ni-the-sumerian-name-giri3#next) Ranked 1 of 31 · could decide · good odds · ~3 h STEP ## In brief 1. A minority of Uruk III names recur exactly as attested Early Dynastic Sumerian names, at twice the chance rate (8.7% against 4.2%), which gives the first candidate readings for archaic names (e2-zi, giri3-ni, šu-me, gi-na, en-ki, Enlil). 1. NI in archaic names pairs with body-part signs (5 of 7 name types, p = 0.00025) exactly as the Sumerian possessive -ni does in later names: a candidate phonetic Sumerian suffix in Uruk III, pending collation. **What this changes:** Central question: first positive name evidence for H-SUMERIAN (supported, and suggestive); phonetic question: a candidate Uruk III phonetic suffix against H-PHONETIC-UR (speculative); two new sub-questions with answers. ## What movedNo question changed standing Key question [What language, if any, do the proto-cuneiform texts record?](https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/proto-cuneiform/questions/QST0DEDT73JJJ1B/what-language-if-any-do-the-proto-cuneiform-texts-record) +2 evidence, 2 fortaken up again [Proto-cuneiform records Sumerian](https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/proto-cuneiform/answers/ANS0DEDW4B5BNA0/proto-cuneiform-records-sumerian) · 3 for, 6 againstPossible **Open** unchanged Key question [When and how did phonetic spelling begin in Mesopotamian writing?](https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/proto-cuneiform/questions/QST0DEDT8N8Y2GZ/when-and-how-did-phonetic-spelling-begin-in-mesopotamian) +1 evidence, 1 against1 next step addedtaken up again [Phonetic spelling begins at Archaic Ur, c. 2900 BC](https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/proto-cuneiform/answers/ANS0DEE99VTJW8C/phonetic-spelling-begins-at-archaic-ur-c-2900-bc) · 2 for, 2 againstPossible **Open** unchanged [ What language, if any, do the proto-cuneiform texts record?](https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/proto-cuneiform/questions/QST0DEDT73JJJ1B/what-language-if-any-do-the-proto-cuneiform-texts-record)this question [Do the roughly 440 personal names in the archaic texts follow Sumerian, Semitic or some other naming pattern?](https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/proto-cuneiform/questions/QST0DEDTDFDF2VV/do-the-roughly-440-personal-names-in-the-archaic-texts) +1 evidence, 1 neutraltaken up again [The names lack the Sumerian name profile](https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/proto-cuneiform/answers/ANS0DFVR69H9JFW/the-names-lack-the-sumerian-name-profile) · 5 for, 0 againstPossible **Open** unchanged [ What language, if any, do the proto-cuneiform texts record?](https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/proto-cuneiform/questions/QST0DEDT73JJJ1B/what-language-if-any-do-the-proto-cuneiform-texts-record)[Do the roughly 440 personal names in the archaic texts follow Sumerian, Semitic or some other naming pattern?](https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/proto-cuneiform/questions/QST0DEDTDFDF2VV/do-the-roughly-440-personal-names-in-the-archaic-texts)this question [Does the name entry EN AN E2 on MS 3035 (P006268, obv. i 1.b09) contain the divine name Enlil, written as in Early Dynastic {d}en-lil2?](https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/proto-cuneiform/questions/QST0DG2T5DJKG28/does-the-name-entry-en-an-e2-on-ms-3035-p006268-obv-i-1-b09) raised this session1 next step added **Open** unchanged 1 more question touched, none changed standing [Is the archaic designation GIR3 NI the Sumerian name giri3-ni, with NI writing the possessive -ni ('his')?](https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/proto-cuneiform/questions/QST0DG2T53MFHE9/is-the-archaic-designation-gir3-ni-the-sumerian-name-giri3) raised this session+2 evidence, 1 for, 1 against2 answers proposed1 next step added **Open** ## What's next3 steps set · ranked 1 Specialist collation of the NI names Could decideGood odds~6 h [On: Is the archaic designation GIR3 NI the Sumerian name giri3-ni, with NI writing the possessive -ni ('his')?](https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/proto-cuneiform/questions/QST0DG2T53MFHE9/is-the-archaic-designation-gir3-ni-the-sumerian-name-giri3) **39** score Details Collate on photographs the NI names (P006268, P005573, P006053, P006118, P006182 and the SAG/SZU NI names) and the five counted GIR3 NI entries (W 22135,0; IM 074298; MS 2427; MS 2443; MSVO 1, 217): is the sign NI, does it stand inside the name, and are the counted entries persons? 2 Check EN AN E2 = Enlil Could decideFair odds~4 h [On: Does the name entry EN AN E2 on MS 3035 (P006268, obv. i 1.b09) contain the divine name Enlil, written as in Early Dynastic {d}en-lil2?](https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/proto-cuneiform/questions/QST0DG2T5DJKG28/does-the-name-entry-en-an-e2-on-ms-3035-p006268-obv-i-1-b09) **23** score Details Compare EN AN E2 on MS 3035 with archaic EN.E2 attestations (lexical lists, Cities list) and Early Dynastic {d}en-lil2 spellings to judge whether it writes Enlil. 3 Look for other suffixes Could shiftFair odds~4 h [On: When and how did phonetic spelling begin in Mesopotamian writing?](https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/proto-cuneiform/questions/QST0DEDT8N8Y2GZ/when-and-how-did-phonetic-spelling-begin-in-mesopotamian) **20** score Details Repeat the body-part / kinship association test for other signs that later spell grammatical endings in names (-ŋu10 MU, -zu ZU, -e/-a), to see whether NI is a single case or part of a pattern. Next steps live on their questions, where anyone can take one up. Ranked by how likely each is to move a key question, for the time it takes. ## New questions 2 [Does the name entry EN AN E2 on MS 3035 (P006268, obv. i 1.b09) contain the divine name Enlil, written as in Early Dynastic {d}en-lil2?](https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/proto-cuneiform/questions/QST0DG2T5DJKG28/does-the-name-entry-en-an-e2-on-ms-3035-p006268-obv-i-1-b09) QST [Is the archaic designation GIR3 NI the Sumerian name giri3-ni, with NI writing the possessive -ni ('his')?](https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/proto-cuneiform/questions/QST0DG2T53MFHE9/is-the-archaic-designation-gir3-ni-the-sumerian-name-giri3) QST ## What was done 1. **Name continuity.** All 7,162 Early Dynastic name types (Oracc ePSD2) were converted to proto-cuneiform sign names. 27 of 311 archaic multi-sign name types have an exact sign-set match, or 8.7%. Archaic ordinary entries of the same lengths match 4.2% of the time (95% 2.3–6.8%, p = 0.0002). The matched names carry candidate readings: e2-zi (78 later attestations), giri3-ni (30), šu-me, gi-na, ma-ma, en-ki, and {d}en-lil2 for EN AN E2 on MS 3035, which would be the god Enlil in an archaic name [@englund2009smell]. 1. **Shared name signs.** Each sign's preference for names correlates across the break (Spearman 0.25, p = 0.0015). The signs name-specific in both periods include UR, SZUBUR, EN, ZI, GIR3, AMA and LUGAL. 1. **The NI pattern.** GIR3 NI occurs ten times at Umma, Uruk and Jemdet Nasr. NI appears in 2.2% of archaic names, the rate of Archaic Ur. In 5 of the 7 archaic name types with NI, it stands with a body part: foot, hand twice, head twice. The base rate is 12.5% (p = 0.00025), and control signs show nothing. Early Dynastic Sumerian names show the same NI–body-part association, the possessive -ni of names like giri3-ni 'his foot' [@andersson2012kingship]. ::: figure 1 1. **What changes.** The names are mixed, not uniformly foreign. A minority layer continues into the Sumerian onomasticon, and one pattern looks like a Sumerian grammatical suffix written phonetically. If collation confirms it, that would be the first phonetic spelling in Uruk III, before the accepted start at Archaic Ur [@dahl2025early] [@whittaker2005sumerian]. The sample is small and mostly unprovenanced. Runs 1 | Run | Measured | Result | Against | Decision | |---|---|---|---|---| | Reading bridge: archaic names matched to attested Early Dynastic names · 1 figure | R1 share of archaic multi-sign name types whose sign multiset equals an Early Dynastic name type, against length-matched archaic administrative entries; R2 Spearman correlation of per-sign name preference across periods, against a permutation null | | Archaic administrative entry types of the same lengths (5,000 resamples) · permuted name-preference scores (2,000) | Both pre-declared tests are positive. Archaic names recur as Early Dynastic names at twice the chance rate, and name-specific signs are shared across the break. The archaic onomasticon is mixed, with a continuous Sumerian layer. Two specific readings are raised as questions: GIR3 NI = giri3-ni, and EN AN E2 = Enlil. | Answers proposed 2 [NI is a logogram; GIR3 NI is a designation](https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/proto-cuneiform/answers/ANS0DG2VQ3K4ZY4/ni-is-a-logogram-gir3-ni-is-a-designation) ANS [NI writes the possessive -ni in body-part names](https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/proto-cuneiform/answers/ANS0DG2VG4CS0BW/ni-writes-the-possessive-ni-in-body-part-names) ANS Answers taken up again 3 [Do the roughly 440 personal names in the archaic texts follow Sumerian, Semitic or some other naming pattern?](https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/proto-cuneiform/questions/QST0DEDTDFDF2VV/do-the-roughly-440-personal-names-in-the-archaic-texts) QST [What language, if any, do the proto-cuneiform texts record?](https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/proto-cuneiform/questions/QST0DEDT73JJJ1B/what-language-if-any-do-the-proto-cuneiform-texts-record) QST [When and how did phonetic spelling begin in Mesopotamian writing?](https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/proto-cuneiform/questions/QST0DEDT8N8Y2GZ/when-and-how-did-phonetic-spelling-begin-in-mesopotamian) QST Evidence found 6 [A possible phonetic suffix (-ni) in Uruk III names would push phonetic writing before Archaic Ur](https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/proto-cuneiform/evidence/EVD0DG2W1AB9533/a-possible-phonetic-suffix-ni-in-uruk-iii-names-would-push) EVD [Archaic names match ordinary entries less than attested Sumerian names do, but no more than shuffled names (superseded)](https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/proto-cuneiform/evidence/EVD0DG2T40VTXKB/archaic-names-match-ordinary-entries-less-than-attested) EVD [NI in archaic names pairs with body-part signs far above chance, as the possessive -ni does in Sumerian names](https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/proto-cuneiform/evidence/EVD0DG2W0JQ2HBS/ni-in-archaic-names-pairs-with-body-part-signs-far-above) EVD [The NI–body-part association in archaic names is what the logogram reading says should not happen](https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/proto-cuneiform/evidence/EVD0DG2W127QZQC/the-nibody-part-association-in-archaic-names-is-what-the) EVD [The non-Sumerian profile is a majority pattern, not a total one](https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/proto-cuneiform/evidence/EVD0DG2T4M79P68/the-non-sumerian-profile-is-a-majority-pattern-not-a-total) EVD [The same signs specialise in names before and after the break](https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/proto-cuneiform/evidence/EVD0DG2T4E4DA8C/the-same-signs-specialise-in-names-before-and-after-the) EVD ## Cite it ``` Mysteries Department. 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