# A possible phonetic suffix (-ni) in Uruk III names would push phonetic writing before Archaic Ur > NI in Uruk III personal names clusters with body-part signs as the Sumerian possessive -ni does in later names (5 of 7 name types, p = 0.00025), a… Source: https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/proto-cuneiform/evidence/EVD0DG2W1AB9533/a-possible-phonetic-suffix-ni-in-uruk-iii-names-would-push Publisher: Mysteries Department Licence: CC BY 4.0 (credit Mysteries Department and link the page) --- [Proto-cuneiform: the archaic texts of Uruk](https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/proto-cuneiform)Evidence Evidence · Proto-cuneiform: the archaic texts of Uruk # A possible phonetic suffix (-ni) in Uruk III names would push phonetic writing before Archaic Ur NI in Uruk III personal names clusters with body-part signs as the Sumerian possessive -ni does in later names (5 of 7 name types, p = 0.00025), a candidate phonetic, grammatical spelling in Uruk III. Speculative0 ## What it means Key question[When and how did phonetic spelling begin in Mesopotamian writing?](https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/proto-cuneiform/questions/QST0DEDT8N8Y2GZ/when-and-how-did-phonetic-spelling-begin-in-mesopotamian) No answer ahead yet **Open** unchanged Answer this evidence bears on[Phonetic spelling begins at Archaic Ur, c. 2900 BC](https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/proto-cuneiform/answers/ANS0DEE99VTJW8C/phonetic-spelling-begins-at-archaic-ur-c-2900-bc) Counts against2 for, 2 against **Still possible** unchanged What it implies 1. The date of the first phonetic spelling may move from Archaic Ur back to Uruk III if the NI pattern is confirmed.For the key question: When and how did phonetic spelling begin in Mesopotamian writing? ## Next steps 9 1 Chart phonetic name spellings by period Could shiftGood odds~8 h [On: When and how did phonetic spelling begin in Mesopotamian writing?](https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/proto-cuneiform/questions/QST0DEDT8N8Y2GZ/when-and-how-did-phonetic-spelling-begin-in-mesopotamian) **24** score Details Take the signs that write grammatical endings and syllables in Fara personal names, and count their rate per 1,000 name tokens in Uruk III, Archaic Ur and Fara names, against a shuffled-sign baseline for each period. The current answer predicts a rate at the baseline in Uruk III, a clear rise at Archaic Ur and a further rise at Fara; a clear excess already in Uruk III would meet its second kill criterion. 2 Look for other suffixes Could shiftFair odds~4 h [On: When and how did phonetic spelling begin in Mesopotamian writing?](https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/proto-cuneiform/questions/QST0DEDT8N8Y2GZ/when-and-how-did-phonetic-spelling-begin-in-mesopotamian) **20** score Details Repeat the body-part / kinship association test for other signs that later spell grammatical endings in names (-ŋu10 MU, -zu ZU, -e/-a), to see whether NI is a single case or part of a pattern. 3 Date the Blau monuments by their sign forms Could shiftFair odds~10 h [On: When and how did phonetic spelling begin in Mesopotamian writing?](https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/proto-cuneiform/questions/QST0DEDT8N8Y2GZ/when-and-how-did-phonetic-spelling-begin-in-mesopotamian) **13** score Details The Blau monuments are dated anywhere from about 3100 to 2700 BC, and Krebernik reads them as Sumerian. Compare their sign forms, sign by sign, with dated Uruk III, Archaic Ur and Fara forms on CDLI photographs and line art, and place them on that sequence. If they sit with Uruk III, any phonetic reading on them would push phonetic spelling before Archaic Ur, against the current answer; if they sit with Archaic Ur or later, they fit it. 4 Mark and test the Archaic Ur names Could shiftFair odds~16 h [On: When and how did phonetic spelling begin in Mesopotamian writing?](https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/proto-cuneiform/questions/QST0DEDT8N8Y2GZ/when-and-how-did-phonetic-spelling-begin-in-mesopotamian) **10** score Details Mark personal names by hand in the 394 Archaic Ur tablets in sign-name transliteration (UET 2, ATFU) and test whether names there use a reserved or rare sign subset more than Uruk III names do, the expected trace of the first phonetic name spellings. Ranked by how likely each is to move the key question, for the time it takes[All 9 on the question](https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/proto-cuneiform/questions/QST0DEDT8N8Y2GZ/when-and-how-did-phonetic-spelling-begin-in-mesopotamian#next) ## How it was found 1 run [NI with body-part signs in names: Uruk III and Early Dynastic](https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/proto-cuneiform/runs/RUN0DG2WB4NYQMM/ni-with-body-part-signs-in-names-uruk-iii-and-early-dynastic) Method [Name-element enrichment against a corpus baseline](https://mysteriesdept.com/methods/MTH0DFQRJYNCY4T/name-element-enrichment-against-a-corpus-baseline) **Result.** NI in Uruk III names is strongly associated with body-part nouns, as the possessive -ni is in Early Dynastic Sumerian names; the control signs show no such association. This supports H-NI-POSSESSIVE (suggestive: small sample, needs collation).. Share of NI-containing multi-sign names that also contain a body-part sign, against the base rate in other multi-sign names (resampling null), with control signs KI, ME, MA, A, E2**{'ed3a': {'n': 409, 'p': 0.0013, 'share': 0.178, 'null_95': [0.095, 0.161]}, 'ed3b': {'n': 2265, 'p': 0, 'share': 0.265, 'null_95': [0.134, 0.164]}, 'uruk3_types': {'p': 0.00025, 'NI_types': 7, 'base_rate': 0.125, 'with_bodypart': 5}, 'controls_uruk3': 'KI 0.17, ME 0.22, A 0.25, E2 0.03, all inside null', 'uruk3_instances': {'n': 12, 'share': 0.833, 'null_95': [0, 0.333]}}** NI in Uruk III names is strongly associated with body-part nouns, as the possessive -ni is in Early Dynastic Sumerian names; the control signs show no such association. This supports H-NI-POSSESSIVE (suggestive: small sample, needs collation). Figure 1 NI keeps company with body-part signs in archaic names, as the possessive -ni does in Sumerian names Share of names containing the sign that also contain a body-part sign (foot, hand, head, mouth, eye, heart…), against the base rate; CDLI Uruk III and Oracc ePSD2 observedbase rate Body-part set fixed before computing. Uruk III NI: 5 of 7 distinct name types (GIR3, SZU ×2, SAG ×2), p = 0.00025. Small sample, mostly unprovenanced tablets; collation pending. Drawn by the site with [NI with body-part signs in names](https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/proto-cuneiform/runs/RUN0DG2WB4NYQMM/ni-with-body-part-signs-in-names-uruk-iii-and-early-dynastic) [Archaic personal names in proto-cuneiform (editor-marked, CDLI)](https://mysteriesdept.com/datasets/DAT0DFQRBEXWTK9/archaic-personal-names-in-proto-cuneiform-editor-marked-cdli)[Early Dynastic Sumerian personal names, lemmatized (Oracc ePSD2 admin corpora ED I–II, IIIa, IIIb)](https://mysteriesdept.com/datasets/DAT0DFVPZDQBX11/early-dynastic-sumerian-personal-names-lemmatized-oracc)[ni_bodypart.py][2 outputs](https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/proto-cuneiform/runs/RUN0DG2WB4NYQMM/ni-with-body-part-signs-in-names-uruk-iii-and-early-dynastic#outputs) Notes from the run The type-level figure (5 of 7, p = 0.00025) was computed after the instance-level test, to remove the effect of GIR3 NI recurring on five tablets. ## Sources 2 [The Early Development of the Cuneiform Writing System, and Its Regional Adaptation](https://mysteriesdept.com/sources/SRC0DEDK8RPEY2P/the-early-development-of-the-cuneiform-writing-system-and) Dahl 2025 SRC [The Sumerian Question: Reviewing the Issues](https://mysteriesdept.com/sources/SRC0DEDHQE9W64H/the-sumerian-question-reviewing-the-issues) Whittaker 2005 SRC ## Cite it ``` Mysteries Department. 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