# Where did the Flor de la Mar go down? · Flor de la Mar > Three answers have been proposed. On shoals off the kingdom of Aru, south-east of Pasai, on the night of 20 November 1511 (the modern… leads, with… Source: https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/flor-de-la-mar/questions/QST0D2BHJJR6EAM/where-did-the-flor-de-la-mar-go-down Publisher: Mysteries Department Licence: CC BY 4.0 (credit Mysteries Department and link the page) Updated: 2026-10-26T11:57:25+00:00 --- **0** # Where did the Flor de la Mar go down? Asked 26 Oct 2026 by [**apollo** ](https://mysteriesdept.com/u/apollo)·3 answers·0·0 following **Most likely: on shoals off the kingdom of Aru, south-east of Pasai, on the night of 20 November 1511 (the modern…** Ahead on the evidence, not yet confirmed. It needs two reviews to be accepted. ## Where it stands Three answers have been proposed. On shoals off the kingdom of Aru, south-east of Pasai, on the night of 20 November 1511 (the modern… leads, with evidence 1 for, 1 against: partly supported by its tests. Two are still possible. Of the one narrower question under it, none is answered yet. ## Why it matters The chronicles give a coast, not a point, and disagree on the date by two weeks. Without a narrower position no survey can be designed and every "discovery" claim is untestable⁠[[1]](https://mysteriesdept.com/sources/SRC0D2BHCFE2WYG/the-commentaries-of-the-great-afonso-dalboquerque-second)⁠[[2]](https://mysteriesdept.com/sources/SRC0D2BHD6W21AT/flor-de-la-mar). ## Answers 3 [**On shoals off the kingdom of Aru, south-east of Pasai, on the night of 20 November 1511 (the modern…** ](https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/flor-de-la-mar/answers/ANS0D2BHKA63TM5/on-shoals-off-the-kingdom-of-aru-south-east-of-pasai-on-the) Partly supported by its tests Evidence: 1 for, 1 against Most likely [**Closer to Pasai (Pacem), where survivors from the junk made landfall and where the Portuguese had contacts.** ](https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/flor-de-la-mar/answers/ANS0D2BHM1M1ZS3/closer-to-pasai-pacem-where-survivors-from-the-junk-made) Not tested enough to call either way Evidence: 1 for Still possible [**None of these.** ](https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/flor-de-la-mar/answers/ANS0D2BHMH80EA1/none-of-these) Not tested enough to call either way Evidence: none yet Still possible ## History 1. 1880[Albuquerque & Birch puts forward: closer to Pasai (Pacem), where survivors from the junk made landfall and where the Portuguese had contacts.](https://mysteriesdept.com/sources/SRC0D2BHCFE2WYG/the-commentaries-of-the-great-afonso-dalboquerque-second) 1. 1880[Albuquerque & Birch: correia, quoted by Birch, has the fleet leaving Malacca on 1 December 1511, after the 20 November date…](https://mysteriesdept.com/sources/SRC0D2BHCFE2WYG/the-commentaries-of-the-great-afonso-dalboquerque-second)Against: On shoals off the kingdom of Aru, south-east of Pasai, on the night of 20 November 1511 (the modern… 1. 1880[Albuquerque & Birch: the Commentaries place the wreck on shallows off the coast of Sumatra on the route from Malacca to India,…](https://mysteriesdept.com/sources/SRC0D2BHCFE2WYG/the-commentaries-of-the-great-afonso-dalboquerque-second)For: On shoals off the kingdom of Aru, south-east of Pasai, on the night of 20 November 1511 (the modern… 1. 1880[Albuquerque & Birch: four mariners from the mutinied junk reached Pasai by boat, so the loss was within reach of it.](https://mysteriesdept.com/sources/SRC0D2BHCFE2WYG/the-commentaries-of-the-great-afonso-dalboquerque-second)For: Closer to Pasai (Pacem), where survivors from the junk made landfall and where the Portuguese had contacts. 1. 26 Oct 2026Asked on this site ## Discussion 0 [Add to the discussion](https://mysteriesdept.com/signin?next=/mysteries/flor-de-la-mar/questions/QST0D2BHJJR6EAM/where-did-the-flor-de-la-mar-go-down%23discussion) Help with this question [ **Propose an answer** Something the evidence could support or rule out ] [ **Propose an answer** Something the evidence could support or rule out ](https://mysteriesdept.com/signin?next=/mysteries/flor-de-la-mar/questions/QST0D2BHJJR6EAM/where-did-the-flor-de-la-mar-go-down%23add-answer) [ **Add evidence** A result for or against an answer ] [ **Add evidence** A result for or against an answer ](https://mysteriesdept.com/signin?next=/mysteries/flor-de-la-mar/questions/QST0D2BHJJR6EAM/where-did-the-flor-de-la-mar-go-down%23add-evidence) [ **Ask a sub-question** A smaller question that would help settle this one ] [ **Ask a sub-question** A smaller question that would help settle this one ](https://mysteriesdept.com/signin?next=/mysteries/flor-de-la-mar/questions/QST0D2BHJJR6EAM/where-did-the-flor-de-la-mar-go-down%23add-question) [ **Add a source** A paper, archive record or image ] [ **Add a source** A paper, archive record or image ](https://mysteriesdept.com/signin?next=/mysteries/flor-de-la-mar/questions/QST0D2BHJJR6EAM/where-did-the-flor-de-la-mar-go-down%23add-source) Where it fits Flor de la Mar **Where did the Flor de la Mar go down?** Key question · you're here [Who would own the wreck if it were found?](https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/flor-de-la-mar/questions/QST0D2BHK2C1M60/who-would-own-the-wreck-if-it-were-found)Most likely · portugal, as flag state of a royal vessel, under the 2001 Convention's rules and sovereign immunity [ Ask a question under this one ]