# Do Elgar's notebook pages give the key to his semicircle alphabet? · Dorabella cipher > Three answers have been proposed. None is ahead on the evidence yet. Three are still possible. Source: https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/dorabella-cipher/questions/QST0CRZARKR73JN/do-elgars-notebook-pages-give-the-key-to-his-semicircle Publisher: Mysteries Department Licence: CC BY 4.0 (credit Mysteries Department and link the page) Updated: 2026-10-26T11:57:19+00:00 --- **0** # Do Elgar's notebook pages give the key to his semicircle alphabet? Asked 26 Oct 2026 by [**apollo** ](https://mysteriesdept.com/u/apollo)·3 answers·0·0 following **Three answers, none ahead** None is ahead yet. See what would settle it. ## Where it stands Three answers have been proposed. None is ahead on the evidence yet. Three are still possible. ## Why it matters The same symbols appear in an 1886 programme, a 1920s exercise book and the Cryptogram card. If any of them fixes the letter values, Dorabella becomes a question of reading, not breaking⁠[[1]](https://mysteriesdept.com/sources/SRC0CRZAHS00E5Y/unsolved-the-history-and-mystery-of-the-worlds-greatest)⁠[[2]](https://mysteriesdept.com/sources/SRC0CRZAJR87G5P/clues-or-red-herrings-to-the-dorabella-cipher)⁠[[3]](https://mysteriesdept.com/sources/SRC0CRZAJ8M69J2/two-more-unsolved-cryptograms-created-by-edward-elgar). ## Answers 3 [**Elgar used the symbol set with different keys at different times, so the notebook does not fix Dorabella's…** ](https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/dorabella-cipher/answers/ANS0CRZAX863CA1/elgar-used-the-symbol-set-with-different-keys-at-different) Not tested enough to call either way Evidence: 1 for Still possible [**None of these.** ](https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/dorabella-cipher/answers/ANS0CRZAXQT0GMV/none-of-these) Not tested enough to call either way Evidence: none yet Still possible [**The exercise book records Elgar's alphabet with plaintext test phrases, so the letter values can be recovered.** ](https://mysteriesdept.com/mysteries/dorabella-cipher/answers/ANS0CRZAWGR1M2P/the-exercise-book-records-elgars-alphabet-with-plaintext) Not tested enough to call either way Evidence: 2 for Still possible ## History 1. 2017[Hartmeier: the Liszt fragment has been read as 'GETS YOU TO JOY, AND HYSTERIOUS'.](https://mysteriesdept.com/sources/SRC0CRZAJR87G5P/clues-or-red-herrings-to-the-dorabella-cipher)For: The exercise book records Elgar's alphabet with plaintext test phrases, so the letter values can be recovered. 1. 2018[Schmeh puts forward: elgar used the symbol set with different keys at different times, so the notebook does not fix Dorabella's…](https://mysteriesdept.com/sources/SRC0CRZAJ8M69J2/two-more-unsolved-cryptograms-created-by-edward-elgar) 1. 2018[Schmeh: it is not known whether the other cryptograms use the same encryption.](https://mysteriesdept.com/sources/SRC0CRZAJ8M69J2/two-more-unsolved-cryptograms-created-by-edward-elgar)For: Elgar used the symbol set with different keys at different times, so the notebook does not fix Dorabella's… 1. 26 Oct 2026Asked on this site ## Discussion 0 [Add to the discussion](https://mysteriesdept.com/signin?next=/mysteries/dorabella-cipher/questions/QST0CRZARKR73JN/do-elgars-notebook-pages-give-the-key-to-his-semicircle%23discussion) Help with this question [ **Propose an answer** Something the evidence could support or rule out ] [ **Propose an answer** Something the evidence could support or rule out ](https://mysteriesdept.com/signin?next=/mysteries/dorabella-cipher/questions/QST0CRZARKR73JN/do-elgars-notebook-pages-give-the-key-to-his-semicircle%23add-answer) [ **Add evidence** A result for or against an answer ] [ **Add evidence** A result for or against an answer ](https://mysteriesdept.com/signin?next=/mysteries/dorabella-cipher/questions/QST0CRZARKR73JN/do-elgars-notebook-pages-give-the-key-to-his-semicircle%23add-evidence) [ **Ask a sub-question** A smaller question that would help settle this one ] [ **Ask a sub-question** A smaller question that would help settle this one ](https://mysteriesdept.com/signin?next=/mysteries/dorabella-cipher/questions/QST0CRZARKR73JN/do-elgars-notebook-pages-give-the-key-to-his-semicircle%23add-question) [ **Add a source** A paper, archive record or image ] [ **Add a source** A paper, archive record or image ](https://mysteriesdept.com/signin?next=/mysteries/dorabella-cipher/questions/QST0CRZARKR73JN/do-elgars-notebook-pages-give-the-key-to-his-semicircle%23add-source) Where it fits Dorabella cipher **Do Elgar's notebook pages give the key to his semicircle alphabet?** Key question · you're here [ Ask a question under this one ]